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[Touch Fluffy Tail]

Honestly it's an incredibly apt summation of the accusations.
I don't give an iota of a fuck about the sad testimony of a bunch of creeps who went looking for jailbait and found it - you're not convincing me that they genuinely thought she was legal when Kiki couldn't have been more than 16 at the most.
Is it irresponsible and fucky of Kiki to have been interested in older men at that age? Absolutely, but the underage are sexually irresponsible by definition. That's why it's illegal to have sex with them, because they're not developed enough to understand what's going on, and Kiki is ultimately no different no matter how much she said she wanted it. The impetus is on the adult not to fuck the kid.

That was years ago. Now certainly Kiki's fetishes and behaviour today are gross and concerning, and her content is little I could watch or engage with myself, but soapboxing about an imminent threat to children or getting MATI about how she's absolutely a paedophile is stretching the situation. The only kid to have actually been in danger or abused in this entire drama is Kiki herself.
The only smoking gun is her own self-confession in DMs about how she at some point had some issues being attracted to children for an unspecified amount of time, because of what happened to her. And she also claims to have since gotten over it in the same message. It's not much to go on and nothing to damn her with - you take that to the cops and they'll politely thank you for the tip before dumping it in a cabinet to be forgotten about, because they have much more active and threatening predators to be concerned with than a hikki girl who jills herself to the thought of being a loli.

This has been said already but I will say it again, if kiki were a trans or a man you would be calling for her death by woodchipper the moment the screenshots came out.
Yeah we get it she was abused as a minor... so what? a lot of abusers, paedophiles and rapist are the way they are precisely because of that and like I said you would be calling for their death in no time.
but as soon as it's a cute vtuber, and on top of that a vtuber who's friends with others that people here enjoy like Hexa suddenly everyone wants to play the devils advocate. The writing is on the wall buddy, she never sought help and has build her community pandering to "lolicons" and gooners from the very start.
The fact that you're telling us that she was only "attracted to children for an unspecified amount of time" tells me that you don't understand how this shit works, you can't fix a broken mind, once you're a pedophile you will be one for the rest of your life, best case scenario you drown yourself in 2D shit in the hopes of never touching real children or end up lock in prison for having CSAM, we will wait and see what path kiki decides to follow but then again she has been a gooner for so long that I think it may be too late for her.

 

[I Wanna Die]

I take back anything I said defending her, I missed the clip on her talking about being a teacher. She's been in a position where she held power over children and could have used it to abuse them.

I can't find the clip here only on the farms so here it is

 

[Sankisei]

Now can we forgive people for their childhood traumas?
This woman will be a good member of society when she becames a 35 years old i am sure

 

[wrp]

You of course have proof of this you can share with the class, don't you?

You cant just drop accusations like that without some evidence, big guy

I will just retract what is, apparently, deniable because I didn't expect anyone to just outright deny it. I'm sure you Proctor would easily kick my proverbial ass having a lot more experience and knowledge of her doxx anyways.

The "furry hookup site" you're talking about was her FurAffinity account, which is an art website like deviantArt. Yes, degenerate behaviour happens there because furries can't contain themselves, but acting like she was on there to get a grown man to fuck her rather than because she liked drawings of animals is incredibly disingenuous.

...but, to specifically reply to this, I remember there being an ERP website of some kind involved. That may or may not be true, all the same, she had an account on a website that... apparently has a minimum age requirement of 13 even though there's fetish porn on the front page? What the fuck? Point being, I don't believe for a second she just didn't know what she was getting into, and no, that's not exactly the same thing as actively pedobaiting, but it's not far from it either.
None of which to even bring up loli and uohposting from herself, coworkers, friends, and other vtubers she is under no obligation to promote and still does. Like Kiki.

 

[Ed O'neill]

I will just retract what is, apparently, deniable because I didn't expect anyone to just outright deny it. I'm sure you Proctor would easily kick my proverbial ass having a lot more experience and knowledge of her doxx anyways.


...but, to specifically reply to this, I remember there being an ERP website of some kind involved. That may or may not be true, all the same, she had an account on a website that... apparently has a minimum age requirement of 13 even though there's fetish porn on the front page? What the fuck? Point being, I don't believe for a second she just didn't know what she was getting into, and no, that's not exactly the same thing as actively pedobaiting, but it's not far from it either.
None of which to even bring up loli and uohposting from herself, coworkers, friends, and other vtubers she is promotes under no obligation.

Could you know, provide proof and shit?

It aint hard brother

 

[The Proctor]

but as soon as it's a cute vtuber, and on top of that a vtuber who's friends with others that people here enjoy like Hexa suddenly everyone wants to play the devils advocate. The writing is on the wall buddy, she never sought help and has build her community pandering to "lolicons" and gooners from the very start.

no no no no you bigoted fuckwit, dont you know it is a perfectly natural and normal coping mechanism for an abused and injured child to grow up to be an insane catfisher who cheerfully talks about child rape & child rape accessories on livestreams for the whole world to see??? Aren't you being kinda heckin' problematic for implying that kinda thing? isn't she entitled to her own ways of processing her grief???

Morbid jokes aside, thank you for pointing out what I lack the ability to properly articulate without devolving into a rage at the requirement that it even needs to be said aloud instead of being the unspoken standard for the whole human race.

 

[thhrang]

I will just retract what is, apparently, deniable because I didn't expect anyone to just outright deny it. I'm sure you Proctor would easily kick my proverbial ass having a lot more experience and knowledge of her doxx anyways.


...but, to specifically reply to this, I remember there being an ERP website of some kind involved. That may or may not be true, all the same, she had an account on a website that... apparently has a minimum age requirement of 13 even though there's fetish porn on the front page? What the fuck? Point being, I don't believe for a second she just didn't know what she was getting into, and no, that's not exactly the same thing as actively pedobaiting, but it's not far from it either.
None of which to even bring up loli and uohposting from herself, coworkers, friends, and other vtubers she is under no obligation to promote and still does. Like Kiki.

You are retarded. Lmao.

 

[superduper]

I hope Kiki gets into Nijisanji!

 

[Zizara]

This has been said already but I will say it again, if kiki were a trans or a man you would be calling for her death by woodchipper the moment the screenshots came out.
Yeah we get it she was abused as a minor... so what? a lot of abusers, paedophiles and rapist are the way they are precisely because of that and like I said you would be calling for their death in no time.

> buh what if it was a tranny
Shut the fuck up retard I don't care about culture war sperging about this, it's a blind assumption into the bargain, you don't know what I think about other situations or hypotheticals

The fact that you're telling us that she was only "attracted to children for an unspecified amount of time" tells me that you don't understand how this shit works, you can't fix a broken mind, once you're a pedophile you will be one for the rest of your life, best case scenario you drown yourself in 2D shit in the hopes of never touching real children or end up lock in prison for having CSAM, we will wait and see what path kiki decides to follow but then again she has been a gooner for so long that I think it may be too late for her.

If...

IF

Kiki actually abuses a child or there is credible evidence that she actually has been involved in CSAM, then by all means play out your anti-paedophile woodchipper fantasies. I'll be there too agreeing with you. But that hasn't happened. Kiki hasn't offended in any tangible, provable way. You've completely missed the point I was going for with that comment: All you have to go on is her word that this totally happened. You don't know when it was, how long it lasted, to what extent, even what she meant. She could rescind it at any point, and has already claimed to have recognised those desires as an issue and taken steps to get over them.
You don't have any evidence. You have one (1) dubious DM and a bunch of fantasies and headcanon. You don't have to like her for her behaviour, but this is a nothingburger and it's going to continue to be a nothingburger until that changes.

 

[Bozu]

This has been said already but I will say it again, if kiki were a trans or a man

we call them tránnies around here, sir.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

...but, to specifically reply to this, I remember there being an ERP website of some kind involved. That may or may not be true, all the same, she had an account on a website that... apparently has a minimum age requirement of 13 even though there's fetish porn on the front page? What the fuck? Point being, I don't believe for a second she just didn't know what she was getting into, and no, that's not exactly the same thing as actively pedobaiting, but it's not far from it either.
None of which to even bring up loli and uohposting from herself, coworkers, friends, and other vtubers she is under no obligation to promote and still does. Like Kiki.

maybe you shouldnt go "wehll actually" when you cant even bring up any exact archives if the accusation is that she ERP-ed

Minors being on retarded websites that also happen to contain fetish shit isnt new, either FurAffinity or Deviant Art, its easy to find that shit nowadays for some shit.
But if you dont have any proof of her ERPing then why even bring it up

 

[The Proctor]

Kiki hasn't offended in any tangible, provable way.

Think for a fucking second what you are asking.

You are literally saying a child needs to be raped before you'll take this seriously.

This is not the hill you want to die on. I am actually begging you to dig up. Please.

Edit: This is Josh's take, and I 100% agree with this opinion. It is the objectively correct one.

https://files.catbox.moe/p90fb3.mp4

 

[Scoots]

You will eat these words. That is all.

Are you implying you have proof that Kiki offended? cause if so... People really need to start shutting up and waiting for your inevitable stream

 

[AO Cody]

Think for a fucking second what you are asking.

You are literally saying a child needs to be raped before you'll take this seriously.

This is not the hill you want to die on. I am actually begging you to dig up. Please.

Edit: This is Josh's take, and I 100% agree with this opinion. It is the objectively correct one.

https://files.catbox.moe/p90fb3.mp4

This also applies to Kiki consuming actual CP. Or even attempting to groom someone underage. A child doesn't need to be raped, here. She's not even requesting twerking videos.

Josh is right in that clip, but this ain't it.

That's the problem, here. The one thing that'll prove which side is right is something we have no way whatsoever to verify, and all we have to go on is the word of mouth from parties that are all very, very mentally ill. So all we can go off is what they do, not what they say. Everything Kiki has done demonstrates that she manifests her degenerate behavior within. If she had been abused as a child, then started going on and on about how much she wants shotas or whatever then yes, that would be the reddest flag and I don't think anyone would be arguing with you. It's the fact that it only seems to be manifesting as her having an extreme ageplay fetish--meaning her desires are being pointed inward and not outward--and the fact that there's not even an a hint that she's made any attempt on anyone underage.

The crux of the matter is the only thing that can affirm either side of this argument is something we'll likely never know. If she doesn't have CP on her hard drive, there's still hope for her with some therapy and possible medication. If she does, she's crossed the rubicon.

This issue is being muddied by the fact that not only is this a contentious and emotional issue, but there are people here that are very clearly latching it on to larger culture war issues that are only fueling the fire.

Speaking of fueling the fire, I would caution anyone from trying to cross-pollinate with this forum and that KF thread. You're not gonna convince anyone on the farms of anything, and you're just more likely to bring trouble here.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

 

[Zizara]

Think for a fucking second what you are asking.

You are literally saying a child needs to be raped before you'll take this seriously.

This is not the hill you want to die on. I am actually begging you to dig up. Please.

Edit: This is Josh's take, and I 100% agree with this opinion. It is the objectively correct one.

https://files.catbox.moe/p90fb3.mp4

Yes, I am saying that someone needs to have actually committed sex offences before they are considered a sex offender. Doesn't need to be the extreme your reaching to of raping a kid, just consuming actual CP or whatever will do. If that sounds outrageous to you then maybe think about how deep in the sauce you've gotten over this matter.
What do you propose actually happens here, Proctor? Thoughts aren't criminal, no matter how obscene, and until she acts on them the fundamental problem is that Kiki hasn't actually done anything beyond act like a creep. Not even in a way that harassess or targets someone, just being generally tasteless and vulgar. If and until Kiki escalates there is simply nothing to be done beyond personally disliking her behaviour and flagging her as someone to be concerned about.
As for Josh's take, Kiki is a microtuber, barely has a few dozen regular viewers. Claiming that the community needs to ostracise her is ridiculous when she's already a nobody who operates in her own semi-private circles. Moreover purging the Vtuber scene of loli & shotacons sounds nice until you actually try and realise the scope. It's something embedded deep into not just vtubing culture but anime as a whole with people from the top to bottom consuming it.

 

[Tubedude]

you'll take this seriously.

Genuine question: what do you consider the course of action taking it seriously entails? What do you think should be done? Gatekeep them/drive her out, how? Based on the attraction she said she had, having been in a position of authority over children, and her seeming complete lack of trying to be better (instead just surrounding herself with an enabling community), it should be taken seriously, but some may think that means heavily encouraging her to go offline and therapy (based off the more defensive responses towards Kiki here). Edit: I do believe things should be done, but what specifically should be done?

 

[Paladin]

Or even attempting to groom someone underage

She tried to be a teacher and put herself in a position to do that kind of stuff. Look, I understand you want hard evidence, but there's enough here to permanently restrict her access to kids at the minimum.

 

[Halal Gaming]

Why we need to start to make exceptions NOW about shiting on vtubers with mental problems because they have a trauma?
In that case delete 90% of the post of this site as everyone its just coping with their traumas :they are not bad people i swear

 

[Abomination]

I honestly don't give a shit about the narcissist side of this or the manipulation of adults in this. The main problem here is obviously the one glaring message of her admitting to being/have been attracted to children. This is the first I've ever heard of this woman, and the only things I know about her are what's been revealed these last few weeks, and this whole situation has been pretty fucked.

Ahem.

I haven't been able to watch this Tuesday's MATI yet, but definitely a surprisingly level-headed response from Jersh.

I take back anything I said defending her, I missed the clip on her talking about being a teacher. She's been in a position where she held power over children and could have used it to abuse them.

I can't find the clip here only on the farms so here it is

Honestly, this is probably the most important piece of info after her admission that I did not see until you posted it.

The fact she actively put herself in a position where she was in contact with children like this is indefensible. She admits that it was a problem at some point, but still goes on to do something like this. If she really recognized it as a problem, she wouldn't have put herself in a position where the problem is directly right there. Shit like that is how people relapse. And this is going with best case scenario due to her saying she fixed herself or whatever of these feelings. If she lied about that, then obviously there are even bigger issues there. No matter what, this is very indefensible, and I would be absolutely livid if I was a parent to one of those kids.

This whole situation is disgusting and exhausting reading through.