Rage Pig Ho Down - Ralph Discovers vTubers to Spite GAYTOR

[reinigen]

I would also like to point out, as someone who thinks he is typically pretty reasonable about the Lolicon/Shotacon arguement, Kiki specifically said CHILDREN.

Not Loli
Not Shota
CHILDREN
Put everything else aside, if the posts in this thread were coming from /vt/ you bastards would be making furn of everyone there busting out their armchair psychology degrees as hard as you guys have.

I'm disappointed in the amount of people here who are essay-posting dissertations on how she's a poor uwubean who doesn't know what she's doing. The most she deserves is "Yup, that's fucked up. I hope she gets help."

Some of you need to be reminded of the important difference between EXPLANATION and EXCUSE. Everything posted so far EXPLAINS her behavior and why she ended up doing what she did, but it doesn't EXCUSE it. There are many instances of her using her agency to still do bad things. I refuse to believe unless she is a genuine psychopath that basic empathy and social norms wouldn't have told her those things were BAD.

Was she potentially dealt a poor hand in life? Sure. But again, that doesn't EXCUSE her.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't she 16 or so on those screenshots?

She's supposedly 19-20 now, so if the tales of her starting this stuff around 2017 are to be believe she's potentially been doing this since she was 12-13. Based on the screenshots these occurred when she was 18ish? Admitting to acting like pedobait when she was 14/15?

Either way, this stuff does not look good gents and I really don't understand the fullthroated defense some of you guys are giving.

 

[thhrang]

I really don't understand the fullthroated defense some of you guys are giving.

She's a cute anime girl so her admitting to being a pedophile who taught young children in a school like Johnathan fucking Ross is completely fine guys.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Looking at the collage, Kiki is obviously not quite right, and if I'd ever actually had personal contact with her through various messenger services, that contact would've stopped after, I don't know, ten minutes or so because that kind of emotionally overloaded exchange is concentrated Aquatic Novellite repellant. She's the kind of person that I'd quietly ignore in a community chat.

The one genuinely bad part of the collage is "I was attracted to children." I'm not going to argue that this isn't bad, but Kiki uses past tense, and she said it in the context of wanting to be the girl being groomed.

Not the hallmark of great mental health, but given that I disagree with @thhrang's fundamental assumption of incurability, I'm not going to throw stones (a change of environment from enthusiastically enabling anons on the other hand, is strongly recommended). It'd be a different matter if she'd actually acted on her impulses, but with no evidence of such, well, I'm not fond of punishing people who haven't actually committed a crime.

This is followed by a random anon saying she did a false rape accusation, but we know for a fact that Gunjy admitted on the chans that he gave an underage girl drugs and then fucked her. False accusation my ass.

Everything else is emotionally starved female on discord drama of no meaningful value beyond telling me that I wouldn't want to have her among my acquaintances.

I agree that Kiki is in dire need of a healthier social environment and as much as I appreciate chan culture, for her, surrounding herself with it is undiluted poison.

But I emphatically don't agree with the idea that Kiki is the villain here (that's Gunjy). She was clearly victimised early on, and while I'd assuredly despise her Discord antics, it is, bluntly, not hard to just not talk to people like that.

 

[Zizara]

I would also like to point out, as someone who thinks he is typically pretty reasonable about the Lolicon/Shotacon arguement, Kiki specifically said CHILDREN.
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Not Loli
Not Shota
CHILDREN
Put everything else aside, if the posts in this thread were coming from /vt/ you bastards would be making furn of everyone there busting out their armchair psychology degrees as hard as you guys have.

I'm disappointed in the amount of people here who are essay-posting dissertations on how she's a poor uwubean who doesn't know what she's doing. The most she deserves is "Yup, that's fucked up. I hope she gets help."

Some of you need to be reminded of the important difference between EXPLANATION and EXCUSE. Everything posted so far EXPLAINS her behavior and why she ended up doing what she did, but it doesn't EXCUSE it. There are many instances of her using her agency to still do bad things. I refuse to believe unless she is a genuine psychopath that basic empathy and social norms wouldn't have told her those things were BAD.

Was she potentially dealt a poor hand in life? Sure. But again, that doesn't EXCUSE her.


She's supposedly 19-20 now, so if the tales of her starting this stuff around 2017 are to be believe she's potentially been doing this since she was 12-13. Based on the screenshots these occurred when she was 18ish? Admitting to acting like pedobait when she was 14/15?
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Either way, this stuff does not look good gents and I really don't understand the fullthroated defense some of you guys are giving.

I mean, what's being excused in this instance? Has Kiki herself abused children? Does she have actual CSAM?
So far as I've seen all she's done is roleplay as/bait sexual attention for herself as a minor. She confesses only that she's "had issues" being attracted to kids as a result, but that's all, and that she's worked herself out of that.
The lolicon comparison to me feels apt because so far as Kiki's behaviour can be used to call Kiki herself a paedophile, all that's actually happened has just been fantasy. About herself no less - she wants to be the minor being abused rather than doing the abusing. No worse than what Marine has confessed to - actively creeping on irl kids she knew - which people have glossed over and even defended before. Henyamee has made similar comments in the past too iirc. Now that's obviously not a great place for Kiki to have been and I do think less of her for it, but I'm not going to work myself up into hysterics either over hypotheticals and spinning a narrative that she's an active predator when there's so little to support it.

 

[Bronze]

I think this is the crux of the issue @thhrang has. Staying online, continuing the course, appealing to the exact same audience is not "getting help". Little miss needs to do the same advice we give to Nolan. Delete the Kiki Pyon persona. Go completely off the internet. Receive DEEP psychological help. Then, and only then, if she comes back to content creation and assume she's actually made progress to improving herself. Otherwise it's all goddamn lipservice.

Even if she adopts a new persona someone will make the connection and cause issue. It's not easy to prove you aren't something you once admitted to(or even something people believe you are if it's accepted as truth), especially in an online space, since everything has a layer of anonymity.

It's even worse if people dissociate from you because of it. You won't have the chance to surround yourself with better people if, everytime you find people like Hexa and her group, someone brings up your past. They will likely stay away from you either due to their own morals or fear of getting canceled. This doesn't mean she's doing her best, or anything at all, but the internet wouldn't give her a chance even if she did.

If she made a friend she can trust and not part of her problematic community maybe they can talk about it with her and go into more detail or assist her getting help. We can't do much in that regard in any way

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The research concludes female victims don't end up as perpetrators as much.

1. Our data support the notion of a cycle of child sexual abuse in a minority subgroup of male perpetrators attending a specialist national forensic psychotherapy centre.
2. There was no evidence of a cycle of abuse in the female attendees.
3. Although the numbers are small, abuse by a female during childhood appears to be a risk factor for a cycle of abuse in males.

I don't want to defend her, but we also don't have proof she engaged in pedophilia as a perpetrator. Only thing I saw is her admitting sexual desire towards minors she had at one point, which also has her saying she recovered whether we believe it or not, in a message with an unknown date.

 

[Tubedude]

Looking at the collage, Kiki is obviously not quite right, and if I'd ever actually had personal contact with her through various messenger services, that contact would've stopped after, I don't know, ten minutes or so because that kind of emotionally overloaded exchange is concentrated Aquatic Novellite repellant. She's the kind of person that I'd quietly ignore in a community chat.

The one genuinely bad part of the collage is "I was attracted to children." I'm not going to argue that this isn't bad, but Kiki uses past tense, and she said it in the context of wanting to be the girl being groomed.

Not the hallmark of great mental health, but given that I disagree with @thhrang's fundamental assumption of incurability, I'm not going to throw stones (a change of environment from enthusiastically enabling anons on the other hand, is strongly recommended). It'd be a different matter if she'd actually acted on her impulses, but with no evidence of such, well, I'm not fond of punishing people who haven't actually committed a crime.

I agree that Kiki is in dire need of a healthier social environment and as much as I appreciate chan culture, for her, surrounding herself with it is undiluted poison.

She's a cute anime girl so her admitting to being a pedophile who taught young children in a school like Johnathan fucking Ross is completely fine guys.

She did say she taught children before (thanks for linking the clip), so she has at some point put herself into an environment ripe for her to commit offense.

 

[Paladin]

But I emphatically don't agree with the idea that Kiki is the villain here (that's Gunjy). She was clearly victimised early on, and while I'd assuredly despise her Discord antics, it is, bluntly, not hard to just not talk to people like that.

The problem here is that she is turning into one, as the evidence points out. Im a lolbertarian, so I would normally agree with your sentiment, but it's clear she made statements that indicate the intent to harm children, and she put herself in an environment where she could harm children, and that is not something I can overlook.

 

[reinigen]

The problem here is that she is turning into one, as the evidence points out. Im a Lolbert, so I would normally agree with your sentiment, but it's clear she made statements that indicate the intent to harm children, and she put herself in an environment where she could harm children, and that is not something I can overlook.

AND continues to surround herself with an insular fanbase who actively enages in those fantasies.

She confesses only that she's "had issues" being attracted to kids as a result, but that's all, and that she's worked herself out of that.

The problem here is she has admitted to, in the past, lying about her age to sleep with men who would (presumably) not normally have slept with her. You would have to be taking the word of a proven liar - one who lies about one of the most absolutely life ruining things you can do to another person - and believing they magically got better.

 

[Zizara]

AND continues to surround herself with an insular fanbase who actively enages in those fantasies.

The problem here is she has admitted to, in the past, lying about her age to sleep with men who would (presumably) not normally have slept with her. You would have to be taking the word of a proven liar - one who lies about one of the most absolutely life ruining things you can do to another person - and believing they magically got better.

Sucks that Kiki's a menhara getting off to her own abuse, but on the other hand, "I'm innocent because that underage whore baited me into it" is the oldest lie in the book - literally the premise of Lolita.

 

[I Wanna Die]

Yes but she continues to perpetuate it and surrounds herself with enabling circlejerkers such as her fanbase who reciprocate said interests and play into them. She's not going to get help.

I think this is the crux of the issue @thhrang has. Staying online, continuing the course, appealing to the exact same audience is not "getting help". Little miss needs to do the same advice we give to Nolan. Delete the Kiki Pyon persona. Go completely off the internet. Receive DEEP psychological help. Then, and only then, if she comes back to content creation and assume she's actually made progress to improving herself. Otherwise it's all goddamn lipservice.

I don't necessarily disagree, it's why I said her getting help is a "rare chance." While she may never see it this way, this entire shitshow unfolding and exposing her could be a good thing in the long run if it allows her to sit back and reflect upon herself.

I guess the crux of it is we're coming at it from different pov's. I'm seeing her as someone who was sexually assaulted as a minor repeatedly and still have a bit of sympathy towards her and you see her as a pedophile and are rightly disgusted by the shit she says. I don't think I'm wrong but you're not either.

 

[thhrang]

Ahem.

 

[Seth]

The research concludes female victims don't end up as perpetrators as much.

I mean yeah. Because having sex with your female teacher is a fantasy for most young boys. Just like the hot neighbor next door.

Like @I Wanna Die said.

Double standards are real and it's retarded to pretend they're not. Women have not and never will be held to the same standards as men. Equality is a lie.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Does something have to excuse the other? the retard who slept with her will forever be a pedophile while if she really did seek it out in the first place there is a small part of responsbility on her part for being terminally online too

This is a fence sitty "everyone in this story should fuck off" take but its just so nebulous theres not really any final solution towards this, pun intended

 

[Tubedude]

I would also like to point out, as someone who thinks he is typically pretty reasonable about the Lolicon/Shotacon arguement, Kiki specifically said CHILDREN.
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Not Loli
Not Shota
CHILDREN
Put everything else aside, if the posts in this thread were coming from /vt/ you bastards would be making furn of everyone there busting out their armchair psychology degrees as hard as you guys have.

I'm disappointed in the amount of people here who are essay-posting dissertations on how she's a poor uwubean who doesn't know what she's doing. The most she deserves is "Yup, that's fucked up. I hope she gets help."

Some of you need to be reminded of the important difference between EXPLANATION and EXCUSE. Everything posted so far EXPLAINS her behavior and why she ended up doing what she did, but it doesn't EXCUSE it. There are many instances of her using her agency to still do bad things. I refuse to believe unless she is a genuine psychopath that basic empathy and social norms wouldn't have told her those things were BAD.

Was she potentially dealt a poor hand in life? Sure. But again, that doesn't EXCUSE her.


She's supposedly 19-20 now, so if the tales of her starting this stuff around 2017 are to be believe she's potentially been doing this since she was 12-13. Based on the screenshots these occurred when she was 18ish? Admitting to acting like pedobait when she was 14/15?
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Either way, this stuff does not look good gents and I really don't understand the fullthroated defense some of you guys are giving.

I think an amount of the defense is happening cause the linked post has the collage with Kiki and random dude "my truthing" at one another, followed by Proctor saying she's worse than Marina (equal to sure, worse I still disagree with). Thhrang did separate link the most relevant part of the collage, but it's missing the context of the prior teaching children, especially since some people are only following here, and not both threads, and most of the stuff here prior was she was abused as a minor, pedobaited as a minor, and is in an enabling community. Thhrang's clip link is the first time I at least saw something implying she had put herself into a position of interaction with children.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

The problem here is she has admitted to, in the past, lying about her age to sleep with men who would (presumably) not normally have slept with her. You would have to be taking the word of a proven liar - one who lies about one of the most absolutely life ruining things you can do to another person - and believing they magically got better.

If you go down that route, she could also be lying about virtually anything she said. To pick one example, teaching job at her age, family history with drugs, disappearing from home to fuck strangers, and terminal online status? Hohum.

Barring other evidence (which we have for the Junyj thing and her overall personality, but that's where it stops), we'll have to take her at her word. Anything else isn't establishing a pattern, it's fabricating one.

 

[theseeker]

I’ve known about Kiki since that really early single collab she did with Pippa, and I’d say a red flag that revealed how fucked she was, was a time where was so parasocial towards her chat that she was going to buy a super expensive wedding ring FOR THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF MARRYING HER CHAT, AND THEY NEEDED ACTUALLY TARD WRANGLE HER OUT OF IT. Only to then still buy a ring anyway but it was apparently only 70$ or something? I am paraphrasing and could be wrong about few details since it’s been a long time but the main details of this story have always stuck with me concerning Kiki.

 

[The Proctor]

Quick Edit: This rant is directed at those people who are blatantly ignoring the evidence right in front of their eyes. Some of you gave okay takes, I'm just not really in the mood to single them out right now. tl;dr; if a post doesn't look like it'd prompt this response and you don't jerk it to loli in your spare time, I'm probably not talking about you.


I go to bed and I wake up to cringe. Dear god, I wake up to so much cringe.

Let me be abundantly clear;

You cannot cure paedophilia.

'I was abused as a child' is not an excuse.

If this was a male vtuber, you would all have condemned him already and be calling for his head.

Kiki is provably, obviously, blatantly far worse than Marina - who, for all his vileness, never actually came out and said, unambiguously, 'I want to fuck kids'. Kiki has.

When these people tell you what they are, believe them.

You people seem to think there is some level of excuse for this activity. It disgusts me. I don't care what your reasoning is, you fucking retards are defending a self-admitted paedophile who has spent years doing this shit, has never once sought help, and deliberately, purposefully cultivates this image to this very day.

If you are in any way okay with this or are willing to excuse this, I don't want you in my community. GET OUT. Never post on my website ever again. You are painting an image of my site that makes the people on Kiwi Farms perfectly justified in their opinions that everyone who is involved with anime is a degenerate who deserves the flamethrower.

Even more shit is coming out about this behind the scenes. This is your last fucking chance to backpedal and pretend this never happened, or else you are all going to have to live with some very heavy PR millstones around your necks, which I will do nothing to shield you from the consequences of.

I am actually shaking with rage at the disgusting, pathetic cope you retards are spewing right now. This is not the kind of thing I will simply forget about once I calm down. If I have to purge my website of lolicons and take a 90% drop in activity levels, I will do so without the slightest hesitation and consider it a sacrifice worth performing.

I'm not responding to any further pings from this fucking thread. I do not want to be educated about how it's perfectly okay to fuck little girls if you have a cute bunny avatar and piss into cups. If you sincerely hold these views, there is only one way I want you to express them; through the plate glass window of an incinerator, with me on one side pulling the lever and you on the other. It is for your own safety that I do not engage in this retardation anymore.

 

[Cubanodun]

Null is that you?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Null is that you?

Atleast its better than going full lowtax
i think

 

[Arznbae]

I'm just hoping parasi isn't wrapped up in her shit. Shit like this makes me want to get a shack in the woods like uncle Ted.