The Great Hogwarts: Legacy Dilation Event

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

https://archive.is/M0WmV

Not sure if this fits here or in the general thread but i found this randy "female" vampiress vtuber saying anyone who streamed the game deserved to be harassed lol
The hidden replies are mostly gold

I'd like to say they have balls to not disable replies, but they are probably went through the incinerator already.

 

[Aka Split]

The trans genocide fearmongering is rooted in their suicide statistics, of all things. Basically they equate the suicides with murder through a series of mental hoops. The claim is that they would never have killed themselves had they not been so "horrifically" discriminated against therefore anyone who could be shown to have contributed to it in any way is directly, personally, and intentionally responsible for that trans persons death.
This often goes un-explained as an unspoken assumption among their circles and advocates because the holes in that argument are many and varied enough for anyone with at least a double-digit IQ to identify, but that line of logic is what allows first-world upper middle class British trans people (for example) to LARP like they're of equal concern as third-world trans people living in the ghetto where they're at risk of being beaten to death by a mob/john on any given day, just because the NHS said they'd have to wait 2 years before it would sign off on their vanity feminisation surgeries.
Hence why JK and people "supporting" her indirectly through purchases of Hogwarts Legacy are "endangering" trans people and "funding genocide" - because if you've ever purchased Harry Potter merch and a trans person kills themselves, YOU are at fault for it.

Steven Crowder has brought up a similar point a bunch; Groups of people, for instance slaves in the American south, Jews in Auschwitz, etc. all had far far far lower suicide rates than vermintide. I think they had it a little bit more rough than you, whose worst experience was having someone say, 'Excuse me sir' as they try to squeeze past your mobility scooter in the ice cream aisle.
Clearly there is something more going on than 'being treated badly=suicide'. (Like, oh, maybe, mental illness)

 

[kestraline]

Silvervale decided to go ahead and play Troonkiller '23 and the comments on just her twitter schedule are glorious amounts of coping seething and malding

Funny thing about SIlvervale playing it?

You know that idiot of a "VTuber Journalist" who made that infamous article about her and even got a tattoo of her?

Well he is still around, now writing for Kawa Entertainment who was dumb enough to include him in their vtuber "newsdrop" service.

https://archive.ph/3o4bU

Amid Hogwarts Legacy ‘Harassment’, Don’t Forget What Trans VTubers Face Daily

Hogwarts Legacy's launch has led to mudslinging, with the trans community and their lived experiences being invalidated in the process.

news.kawaentertainment.com

Amid Hogwarts Legacy ‘Harassment’, Don’t Forget What Trans VTubers Face Daily

Hogwarts Legacy's launch has led to mudslinging, with the trans community and their lived experiences being invalidated in the process.

vtubernewsdrop.com

To say Hogwarts Legacy has split the gaming community would be an understatement. The long-awaited Harry Potter game, letting fans join Hogwarts and become wizards in a fantasy world they self-inserted in for so long, was finally here.

However, to call it a split of the gaming community⁠—positioning the debate in a way where there are two sides that differ in opinion, and the truth might lie somewhere in the middle⁠—is invalidating and reductive to the lived experiences of the communities the game’s existence affects.

I have been a journalist for six years, and in games media for nearly five. It’s seen as a progressive frontier, full to the brim of diverse voices. The LGBTQIA+ community especially has immense representation in gaming compared to traditional fields.

Never in all of that time have I felt so humiliated for the craft failing to stand up for a community who is so often downtrodden just because of a childhood fascination.

It’s not just games journalism though. It’s the wider community. And to me, it’s mind blowing that a topic which is so clearly one color—maybe we shouldn’t hate people just because of their gender identity—is somehow polarizing and there’s a debate about treating people fairly.

I cannot even begin to break down just how wrong J.K. Rowling’s views on the lived trans experience is. It’s fundamentally inhumane. If you want to read up on all of that, I urge you to read this comprehensive piece penned by Jessie Earl on GameSpot. And, in essence, that’s why Hogwarts Legacy’s release, and the reaction to it, is more than just “a game” to a small but significant section of this community we love.

Sadly, Hogwarts Legacy’s launch was always going to be rocky for trans people, especially for those with a sense of nostalgia for the franchise buried deep. Every tweet from J.K. Rowling is like a twist of the knife. But many approached the issue with dignity and grace.

In the lead-up to Hogwarts Legacy’s release, the trans VTubing community operated on a policy of “prevention is the best cure.” Speaking out, explaining why it was harmful before launch, politely asking people to not play it.

It was probably effective in changing the minds of some—those educating comments at least made me more than indifferent. But wider than that? As it stands, Hogwarts Legacy’s launch is one of the most popular in Twitch history. And if social media debate is anything to go by, trans harassment has only gotten worse with the game’s release, not better.

There has been reporting on streamers getting harassed for ‘playing the game’. The level of harassment varies. There are a minority of comments that are toxic and should be condemned. But most of the commentary is educational in nature, and conveyed with an air of disappointment and displeasure more than hatred.

The VTubing space has not been immune to this. Popular Japanese-English VTuber Amano Pikamee canceled her first Hogwarts Legacy stream after being ‘bombarded’ with hate on Twitter for it. Hololive talents Hakos Baelz, Moona Hoshinova, and Usada Pekora have faced similar comments. And yes, they were hit with some horrible messages.

But as one VTuber streams the game, more become comfortable with following in their footsteps, especially so as the bigger ones take part.

It’s important to note, genuinely attacking people—sending threats of violence and death ⁠— is wrong. There is also a definite cultural divide between the English streaming space and other languages (that's a debate for another day). But let’s not ignore two core facts here.

Trans VTubers face way more harassment on a daily basis. Hate raids are a common occurrence, no matter the amount of measures platforms like Twitch implement, or the protections each streamer individually takes. If you’re trans, critics come after you for every stream, every day, and try to invalidate every part of your existence.

That level of harassment is a bit more than telling a cisgender streamer to acknowledge the trans lived experience, and maybe not support the game.

The ‘bullying’ VTubers faced for playing the game is so tiny in comparison to what trans VTubers face. It’s like spitting in their face.

The easiest thing the wider community could do to support these trans creators is just not engage with the media. But that’s not happening.

“We see so many people paying lip service and saying they'll be ready to help us out,” one trans VTuber told NewsDrop, who asked to remain anonymous for their safety. “And then when the time comes, when the task is to literally save money and not buy a game, it's suddenly too much.

“It's a direct line to anti-trans stuff. Rowling's been caught donating to the folks doing all these anti-trans bills in Texas.

“I've seen maybe one or two death wishes towards people playing it, and that's awful. But the folks who say trans folk are too aggressive are some of the same ones calling us slurs and telling us to off ourselves in those hate raid clips.”

Editor-in-chief of TheGamer, Stacey Henley (who is trans), put it best: “I’m sure some people who are playing the game are dealing with comments that are nasty. I’m also sure that people who are playing it are equating reasonable objections and a lack of unanimous support as nastiness in place of any actual harassment."

The second fact is many online are overblowing just what harassment is. Stacey covers that nuance perfectly. “I’m damn sure, more than anything else, that trans people are dealing with the most nastiness, day in and day out, both because of this game and just because they’re trying to live their lives.”

People are calling the subtle art of expressing mild disapproval and moving on as ‘targeted harassment’. And these are the same people who call trans people ‘snowflakes’ for dealing with a barrage of death threats just for existing.

“The trans bully narrative is the same sh*t as when protestors as an entire group become painted as rioters,” VTRainbow member Marina said on Twitter. “It’s a narrative meant to invalidate a movement. It’s a narrative meant to serve the transphobic agenda. All bullying is bad, but criticism or unfollowing isn’t bullying.”

I’m not here to police whether you should play Hogwarts Legacy or not. By all means do so, but understand actions have consequences.

If you label yourself as a trans ally, know there’s a subtle undercurrent of disapproval every time you go live playing Hogwarts Legacy. “I don't think a friend playing it makes them an awful person, but it does definitely disappoint me or at least call their priorities into question,” the anonymous trans VTuber said.

And at the end of the day, if you’re asked to not play a game because of its problematic roots, maybe you should try to understand why it’s problematic and genuinely hurtful to a community, rather than turn heel and label them bullies. Don’t ignore their lived experience.

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That concludes this opinion piece. Trans Helpline has a dedicated page of contacts for community-based crisis support.

Needless to say the quote tweets happened.

 

[Nenélove]

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I have always hated this argument from wokes.
Sure, not everyone in your group is out there fucking with others, but that doesn't mean you don't cheer those people on and encourage their shitty behavior.
Maybe the regular citizens in that terrorist controlled city aren't terrorists themselves, but if they harbor them and cheer them on, i sure as hell ain't gonna mince my words when criticizing them.

This fag is one ego-driven powertrip from being sued to infinity by COVER

 

[The Rrat]

Funny thing about SIlvervale playing it?

You know that idiot of a "VTuber Journalist" who made that infamous article about her and even got a tattoo of her?

Well he is still around, now writing for Kawa Entertainment who was dumb enough to include him in their vtuber "newsdrop" service.

Amid Hogwarts Legacy ‘Harassment’, Don’t Forget What Trans VTubers Face Daily

Hogwarts Legacy's launch has led to mudslinging, with the trans community and their lived experiences being invalidated in the process.

news.kawaentertainment.com

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I hope this idiot is crying because his oshi plays the evil Wizard game.

 

[kestraline]

Well he is still around, now writing for Kawa Entertainment who was dumb enough to include him in their vtuber "newsdrop" service.

Seems Kawa already is trying to hide their involvement with this shit show as they today moved to a new domain and removed mentions of their site.

Amid Hogwarts Legacy ‘Harassment’, Don’t Forget What Trans VTubers Face Daily

Hogwarts Legacy's launch has led to mudslinging, with the trans community and their lived experiences being invalidated in the process.

vtubernewsdrop.com

Who knows if this article was responsible for the change.

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

Tenma is playing PS1 Harry Potter and took a brief break to congratulate the people sending StreamElements chats with spoilers of Hogwards Legacy on wasting their money.

 

[chihirogumi]

dunkey made a pretty funny video that cleverly roasts the idiotic boycott in a way that they can't cancel him for.

 

[superduper]

Read this thread for some military grade copium and mental gymnastics head in the sand behavior:

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

Trying to decide if I should send this or not. It encapsulates my feelings on her little stunt but it might cause drama and I already got some of these types mad at me earlier today. I shouldn't push my luck.

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

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Warning, those who enter the pasture probably step in a cow pie

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

Warning, those who enter the pasture probably step in a cow pie

Kirsche's continuing to do it, though. Perhaps she figures she's already cancelled.

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

Kirsche's continuing to do it, though. Perhaps she figures she's already cancelled.

I'm not stopping you if you want to hop on twitter like tangent woman, just a warning. Note my name, I view the tenet from the homeland of no cow-tipping as a good one, and most vermintide and vtweeters are lolcow to me

 

[The Rrat]

Kirsche's continuing to do it, though. Perhaps she figures she's already cancelled.

Image of the tweet she was replying to because the idiot bitched out and privated their account:

 

[Sithis]

Image of the tweet she was replying to because the idiot bitched out and privated their account:

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It's hilarious "she" asserts this because I'm sure there are tons of people like me who actively dislike Silvervale but are still taking her side on this issue. Hell, I don't even really like JK Rowling. But if I have a choice of ideological opponents between dumb women with dumb politics and hormone addled pedophiles I actually hate the pedos.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I like this funny new narrative they've come up with. Apparently the people harassing others aren't REAL trans people, it's just allies. Really interesting how when you look at the twitter bio of half the people sending the harassing tweets, you'll see "transXYZ" huh?

 

[Nenélove]

I like this funny new narrative they've come up with. Apparently the people harassing others aren't REAL trans people, it's just allies. Really interesting how when you look at the twitter bio of half the people sending the harassing tweets, you'll see "transXYZ" huh?

Spoiler: Politisperging

It's just one of their many tactics, they move the goalposts and change the facts.
That's why i never try to argue with these people, they are intellectually dishonest and sincerely think that everything they do and think is automatically correct, people who are intellectually dishonest do not actually care about how correct their arguments are, they only care about being right all the time and shutting everyone else up.

To them, their opinions are the will of human progression and anyone who gets in their way is just preventing the progress of humans toward a perfect utopia where people are allowed to be always good because humans are apparently inherently good instead of greedy animals, i.e. human perfectionism. Anyone who breaks this rule is like a sinner to theists, a misguided soul who doesn't know the correct path to enlightenment; politics and religion are literally the same thing.

They will never assume blame for anything, because they can do no wrong. In their minds the world hates them and even though they will disregard any logical argument as bigoted, these people HATE being ignored, they actually care more about what everyone else thinks than what they themselves believe, that's because they don't really believe in anything, they have no real convictions and will drop their opinions on the dime for something else, in the end they are just as self-interested as everyone else.

At this point i don't care anymore, this culture war bullshit has gone on for a decade and it goes nowhere, in the end it doesn't fucking matter what retards on the internet think, society will change and they will scurry back into the comfort of popularity and correctness like the filthy rats they are, the best way to look at all of this is just to sit back and laugh, Laissez-faire is the best way to look at the world, you can't change it and you can't change people.

 

[Scoots]

Girlfriend reviews weighed in on their harassment

 

[Nenélove]

Girlfriend reviews weighed in on their harassment

She sounds kinda confused trying to denounce these people while also trying to sound morally superior. Just tell them to fuck off, they will hate you regardless.

 

[MrProcessor]

I don't really use Twitch much, I'm a fan of hers on Youtube. Someone said she removed all the videos that used to be here on Twitter. So far, her videos on Youtube are still there.