General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Lurker Lurkerman]

Now I'm not sure even who would be the one to take over. There's no "heir apparent", at least publicly.

Well time to kill myself

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity.

 

[Negzana]

If/when Holo dies, I hope all my oshis have graduated already. If they haven't, I have most of their RMs and will just need to learn Japanese and Indonesian.

 

[Nenélove]

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity...

...and other fun delusions retards on /lig/ tell themselves!

The problem with this kind of reasoning is that it isn't inherently wrong or right, "indie" is such a vast group which includes both people at Filian's level and at (random person who streams to their one friend watching due to pity)'s level.

Sure Filian can host her event sponsored by gamersucks in las vegas because she's fucking massive and has the money and popularity to do that, but she and the rest of the top 50 indies are 0.00000000000000000001% of the "indie" grouping, many of those people with no better prospects have EVERYTHING to gain from joining Holo.

and as for the "it's really only clout" claim, yeah, it is mostly clout, because this is an ENTERTAINMENT industry you fucking retarded ape. CLOUT. IS. EVERYTHING.

 

[Jackie Forests]

Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie.

 

[Ed O'neill]

If/when Holo dies, I hope all my oshis have graduated already. If they haven't, I have most of their RMs and will just need to learn Japanese and Indonesian.

Collecting HOOOOORS I see, that is never a good path to go down.

Here watch

...

Shit

This is in my feed, what are they... vermintide. I don't give a fuck



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Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

Yeah but then you get saddled with an Engineer who wants to be a producer and happens to have connections to everyone in town so you can't avoid his ass or tell him to take it up the ass and its just like why couldn't I have been a hitman instead.

What are we talking about

 

[Sky Shouter]

Their main value is clout

Gee, it's almost as if clout is critically important when you're an online content creator

 

[MerelyTourist]

If you act like a fag and stretch things out in theory all indies can just produce a holo tier concert but they will probably spend a life-changing amount of money to barely recieve half of their investment back on the admin/behind the scenes shit alone

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

...and other fun delusions retards on /lig/ tell themselves!

The problem with this kind of reasoning is that it isn't inherently wrong or right, "indie" is such a vast group which includes both people at Filian's level and at (random person who streams to their one friend watching due to pity)'s level.

Sure Filian can host her event sponsored by gamersucks in las vegas because she's fucking massive and has the money and popularity to do that, but she and the rest of the top 50 indies are 0.00000000000000000001% of the "indie" grouping, many of those people with no better prospects have EVERYTHING to gain from joining Holo.

and as for the "it's really only clout" claim, yeah, it is mostly clout, because this is an ENTERTAINMENT industry you fucking retarded ape. CLOUT. IS. EVERYTHING.

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

 

[roktofferson]

i'll take 5 so that way I can have an emty seat next to me

we need a fuck you reaction so i don't have to reply to say

 

[roktofferson]

edit: sorry for double post

 

[Nenélove]

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

You say it like it's a bad thing lol.

 

[closedblas]

MerelyTourist out here distracting us from A-chan's leaving with another one of his braindead takes.

 

[RiverBear]

Gee, it's almost as if clout is critically important when you're an online content creator

Didn't Fillian like clout chase Holo, which is why she exploded in the first place

I remember her first few streams using a Gura model in VR or something

imagine using Fillian as an example of how an indie can make it big without Holo and said indie only making it big because they were clout chasing Holo

 

[akaaoi]

You forgot IRyS

As unfair as it may be, I think I mentally zoned her into a 'too pon to even consider as a host' category

 

[Sankisei]

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

Sharing the Hololive Tourist Set Merch for no particular reason as an answer for this post

 

[NuPerezzorcjunmunospolkos]

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

Mans rediscovered the wheel. Truly groundbreaking.

 

[USS IOWA]

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

I am sad

 

[agility_]

Enough with feeding the bait, fill out this form so you can get officially married to Iori

 

[Koros Apogee]

Delutaya doing another morning singing stream.

 

[Nenélove]

Didn't Fillian like clout chase Holo, which is why she exploded in the first place

I remember her first few streams using a Gura model in VR or something

imagine using Fillian as an example of how an indie can make it big without Holo and said indie only making it big because they were clout chasing Holo

Did she? I recall Filian getting popular off of pandering to VR chat kiddies and zoomers and also spamming shorts.